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ok i had many comments that the crusader tank cant kill this type of German tanks, well here is the proof !  i61.tinypic.com/2gtq54o.jpg



Wip tank here roen911.deviantart.com/art/Bri…

Hope you like it,

As usual cinema4d and Photoshop
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TempleGuardian Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
I don't want to be mean, but that a Crusader tank kill this type of German tanks is impossible. The armor of a Tiger tank is that strong, that a Sherman can't kill him by shooting the front and only able to kill it at the side as long as it not more than 40 meters.
The Crusader tank has a less strong weapon and the Tiger tank - with its 88-gun - has the environment on its side.

And the proof isn't a proof. It shows a Crusader and a Panzerkampfwagen III not a Panzerkampfwagen VI (Tiger), which was a typical tank on the African battlefield. Only a few Tigers appeared there at the end of the war in Africa.
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homicidal45 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Did I comment? Can't remember.. It wasn't the greatest, hardest hitting tank but it wa fast..
Stunning work on this mate, dust effects looks wonderful
Rob
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jerry001 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2015
The proof doesn't show a Tiger ;-)

But more important, the render and the post effects are well done.
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DerSchwarzeFalke Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015   Photographer
Dream on! That little Vacuum cleaner couldn't beat Tiger. 
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:iconjakvin:
jakvin Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2015
Grinding to the Cromwell...
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EnforcingFern48 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2015
that tiger faced forward lol and the crusader hit its engine
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Ammoracker101 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Im pretty sure the tank was knocked out before the crusader got there, by the way if its 1942 why is there a Tiger in the background they didn't see service until 1943 attacking Russia
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A3DR Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Tiger was encountered by both the Western Allies and the USSR in 1942 with the first operational Tiger reaching North Africa on the 1st of December. The Russians saw them as early as September 1942. Though, that is not to support the premise pictured.
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Ammoracker101 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2015  Student Digital Artist
idk ill have to do research but i was sure it first saw action in early/mid 1943 till 1945
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EnforcingFern48 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
a 17 pounder hit it?
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Baryonyx62 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Wait what, crusader killed Tiger? :iconnowayplz: xD
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Obrzut Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow, I love ti!
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Gnoll-El Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
That is not proof.  The German tank in the photo is either a PzIV or a PzIII.  The knocked out tank in your picture is a Tiger (over lapping road wheels); quite a bit of difference in armor.  A Crusader III with a 6pdr could do if either real, real close at the front or a side shot.   
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karelwolf Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
interesting that you use a historic photo of a Pzkfwn IV to prove that a 40mm armed light tank could kill a Tiger. From what I remember of the British 2lb gun, even at point blank range from behind, didn't carry a shell type that could penetrate the 80mm at the rear of the turret or hull.
I do appreciate the quality of your art, however ^w^ always been a fan.
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badankibhook Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
thousands of ideas and billions of experiments for the get success
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KodyYoung Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great picture and work.

But sadly, in your picture is a Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger, and in the photo of proof, is a Panzerkampfwagen IV (Ausf. F1 version?).
Even found the photo from the Wikipedia page under Panzerkampfwagen IVs' stating it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cru…
"British Crusader tank passes a burning German Panzer IV tank during Operation Crusader"
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Rob-Cavanna Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
Thanks for the update. Tank burning in your pic looks like a Tiger. But in the ref photo that's clearly a Panzer IV. Doesn't matter anyway, since I wouldn't assume that it was a Crusader that killed the Tiger. I'd chalk it up to the Tiger being killed by any number of other means. Like air attack or field guns, AT mines, etc... 

No disrespect. I absolutely adore this art, and the Crusader. On of the prettiest tanks of WWII. 
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ThomChen114 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Student General Artist
That 2-pounder gun was entirely capable of dealing with most of the tanks the Commonwealth forces faced off in the North African desert. But compared to the punch that a 75mm gun could deliver it would definitely seem weaker by comparison.
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kawaiku Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
The desert war had all the cool equipment! And just because the Crusader is driving by a knocked out German tank doesn't mean it knocked it out.

Lastly, as everyone is pointing out, the two German tanks are different =/ ... Though there were so many ways to knock tanks out in that theater that one cannot really say who blew up who ;p
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Roboman28 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
This is why I've started to turn off comments when I do military pictures. So many damned experts out there. Main thing is that its a beautiful and exciting picture.
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TheRobertSchneider Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well to discuse with "Experts" on the Internet is like taking part at the paralympics, even if you win you are still retarted...
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TheIronyFist Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
Who cares if the Crusader could destroy the tank or not? It makes for good scenery. Also, if I cared for historical correctness in pictures I wouldn't really be able to follow ANYONE. But, as long as it's good art I'm happy. And this is good art.

But, truth be told, the two tanks do not match up, the one in this picture is a PzKpfw VI Tiger I and the one in the linked picture is a PzKpfw IV. Not that it really matters.
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kawaiku Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
No to mention that just because two vehicles are in the same picture means one took out the other. (Though I agree, his use of evidence isn't much better either lol. Still don't know if the Crusader took that Mk.IV out or not ;p )
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TheIronyFist Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
Aye, indeed. I do know that the Crusader was able to take out Panzer IVs though, even if it was probably a tough thing to do. 
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kawaiku Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2015
Were they? It's been a while since I read up on that particular front. It would surprise me if they were slightly undermatched.
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TheIronyFist Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
Undermatched they were indeed, but russian T-34s (actually, thinking about it, those were probably T-34-85s, bigger gun you know) could take out Tigers too, so it wasn't impossible. You (obviously) had to get in close behind and put one in the engine or such, but still. That was pretty much how you take out tanks effectively either way back in the days.
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kawaiku Featured By Owner May 21, 2015
(Sorry for the late reply, been busy)

T-34's could really hold their own against most tanks classified under the MK.V I believe. I know that once they were upgraded to the 85, they could tangle with nearly every German tank on the battlefield on equal terms. And yeah, very true! As it was so very nicely portrayed in Fury. (Of course, Shermans and other smaller class tanks could usually pop from a shot up the nose.)
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DeadHedgehog Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Student General Artist
BUt... the tank in the picture is not a tiger.... it's a Pzkpfwg. IV (i think).
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OldDuane Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
If you have a cannon in a turret, then any other vehicle can be your victim!  The odds of a Crusader doing this aren't great, however, as in many sports, timing and competence will overcome what seem like long odds.
And I personally love the render, a lot to look at.   
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PhotographerJomdq Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
Excellent work!
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born2kill99 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
Love Love Love 
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t1m-50 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I mean with a lucky enough shot, a crusader could kill a tiger (and also, the tank in the pic you linked isn't a tiger)
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hobbitshire Featured By Owner Edited Apr 16, 2015
Very good image with great detail and color. The German tank appears to be a Tiger, (turret shape, single overlapping wheel chassis). If the Crusader got that it was damn lucky. I'm not sure what your shortcut to the jpg at  i61.tinypic.com/2gtq54o.jpg is supposed to emphasis. The German tank in that image is not a Tiger, (it has the double wheel chassis of one of the earlier tanks). It looks like a Mark IV, (bit difficult to tell with the fire). Anyway, a fine image.
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StardustXIII Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
8 road wheels, must be Pz.IV (Pz.III had 6).
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Mace062801 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Student Artist
Crusaders can't kill those kind of tanks?! What they been playing WoT?!
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V1ix Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Its a panther in the background
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decophoto32 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
The tank in your picture is not a Tiger like the one in your art. Two different tanks. Nice work though.
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Insane-Randomness Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Love the crusader tank...
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rOEN911 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
its a cool tin tank :D
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:iconkawaiku:
kawaiku Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
All of the early tanks were so cool and had so much character (imho).
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Ammoracker101 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Student Digital Artist
only problem what is the dead tiger doing in the background when its 1942 only prototypes went under testing!
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Anzac-A1 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
How can you tell it's a tiger?
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:iconammoracker101:
Ammoracker101 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Hmm... round turret the size of a tiger the tigers tracks and the Muzzle. Its not hard to tell XD
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tanker22052 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014
Very, very nicely done!
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TankLoverKV Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
My favorite tank....the crusader.
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SoFDMC Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Brings back memories of Call of Duty 2 during the desert armored assault. 'The current tactic for the shorter range guns of the British tanks, to charge headlong to get into firing range of the German Panzers, leaves much to be desired.'

Those guys had to be crazy to win the war.
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Ammoracker101 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Student Digital Artist
ikr
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kunraven Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
I am Kun, member of a start up company ravenworks. We are planning to develop a turn base modern war game with a bit of manga twist. I will need to illustrate  15 types of units for each of the items such as BMT tanks, APC, infantry, attack helicopters, artillery etc. There will be a hundred of illustration needed. Can you contact me on ravenworks2014@gmail.com.
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MikeDoscher Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Professional General Artist
It's the details that really put your work a cut above- things like the traversed turret on the Tiger, and the suggestion that the Germans were surprised and overrun.
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